Boris Dolgov Biography

The microphone of Evgeny Volgin. Boris Dolgov is with us, a doctor of historical sciences, a leading researcher at the Center for Arab and Islamic Studies of the Institute of Oriental Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Boris Vasilievich, I welcome you, hello. The news of this morning, very fresh, sensational, entailing political consequences, at least for these countries that participate.

Spain, Norway and Ireland recognized Palestine. Israel did not fail to quickly respond to it. But the composition of countries is interesting, and what does this mean? D debv: Yes, indeed, this event is the recognition of a number of European countries in Palestine - an important step from the part of part of, at least European countries. And this makes it possible for the Palestinian national movement to have more opportunities, more resources for promoting the fulfillment of the main goal - the creation of the Palestinian national state.

Despite the fact that these countries are not the most significant countries, however, this is a step directed towards the recognition of Palestine and the formation of the path of creating the Palestinian national state. But if we talk about the practical side, while this declaration gives the opportunity to participate, firstly, in some UN structures, to promote their position in the international arena, to condemn Israeli actions with a greater weight and promote the main idea, the main goal is to create a Palestinian national state.

But for now, in practical terms, this is still tomorrow, since the recognition of Palestine should be based on what boundaries this future Palestinian state has, how the issues will be resolved very very, which are worth the creation. This is the status of Palestinian refugees, whether they will be returned or somehow the issue will be resolved differently. This is the absence or incomplete unity in the Palestinian national movement.

Although these positions of the Palestinian National Administration, led by Mahmud Abbas and the Hamas movement, which controls the gas sector, they became close, but still there is still no such unity. This is the issue of Israeli safety, which Israel raises all the time, since the military situation was alone in the year when Israel was created, now it is completely different.

That is a lot of questions. But the main thing is still a very positive solution to these countries, which gives the Palestinian national movement the chances with more confidence to promote its positions. Norway, which is not included ... Let's just say there is Norway, there is Spain, there is Ireland. Some of your colleagues are already drawing a parallel that in Spain, in Ireland there are some separatist sentiments, Norway also has such relations with the European Union, it is held apart.

And then suddenly agreed together? Or is it some kind of prologue before the European Union recognizes the Palestinian state entirely? What is meant? Dolgov: In my opinion, this is the decision of these countries, dictated, firstly, by the most state-political structure of these countries-these are social-democratic parties that play an important role there.

And the Palestinian presence there is there, the Muslim diaspora, which is present there. Well, it is present in other countries, in France, for example, the largest. Nevertheless, these countries, in my opinion, have in their political spectrum forces, which see the solution to the Palestinian problem in this regard. And who, with such a step, are trying to somehow increase their image in the European Union and globally.

But as for the prologue, this decision is that the European Union recognizes the Palestinian movement, in my opinion, it is too early to talk about it. How the precedent works, because we recall how literally pulled the legitimacy on the status of Kosovo in the end of the X - early Xs. And with Palestine, when there is a decision of the Security Council, when there are persistent statements by the leaders of many large states, this is in every possible way ignored.

Israel is known to be supported by the United States. At the same time, I emphasize that according to the statements of all the latest administrations of the United States, Israeli support is the main goal of the US foreign policy in the Middle East. Support for Israel as a strategic ally of the United States. Therefore, the support of the United States and its allies of Israel in all directions is an obvious fact and this is the main factor that affects the fact that the Palestinian state has not yet been created.

This is the main reason - the United States and its allies always fully support Israel. Volgina: But here the United States, their allies, Israel itself, probably cannot but understand that the use of international institutions only in their interests, and the precedent with the International Criminal Court is now very interesting. It is one thing when the warrant was issued to Vladimir Putin, Maria Lvov-Belov, another thing, now they have issued a warrant on Netanyahu-and immediately accusations of anti-Semitism and so on.That is, actions and one -way criticism, on the one hand, and on the other hand, the use of international institutions for their own purposes, because these countries cannot but understand that this makes their positions weak and in the end will simply ignore the institutions?

If we look more widely what the international community is now, it is a block of Western countries, led by the United States, it is a block of countries opposing the West - Russia, China and a number of other countries, first of all, these are the allies of China - the Korean People’s Republic, Cuba, Syria and a number of other countries. And the rest are countries that do not have too much weight either in economics, nor in politics, nor military terms, and therefore they follow in line with the policy of the main, global players, primarily the United States and their allies.

We see this with all examples of global policy. Therefore, to say that the international community will not perceive it like that will gradually move away from the position of the United States, it would be fine, but so far this is not. Moreover, both the United States and its allies in terms of international supranational financial and economic institutions also have a very great influence, and this acts, of course.

And to the fact that the understanding is that these international institutions do not work and need, roughly speaking, to form some front, even, for example, the Middle East, to solve a spade with their own methods. Because living in this position is also quite difficult. And I want strategic calm, maybe settlement, understanding of prospects. That's rather about that.

But again, I will come true to the fact that if we see which banks in their savings leaders and Arab countries, I do not mean Syria, of course, and countries that could somehow act in the perspective that you are talking about, these are banks of Western countries. And here are the interests, well, not personal, and such purely practical ones also take place. And the fact that these countries could somehow unite, I want to say two words here, in this regard a very big role and an important factor is a confrontation in Ukraine.

How this confrontation will be resolved and what the outcome of this confrontation will be, a lot depends on this. I often communicate with my Arab colleagues, visited different countries, give an interview to Arab media, and in these discussions, Arab colleagues always end with me: what about Ukraine, how will this issue be resolved here? This is understandable, because this is a very important question.

This is the main question of global policy - how the issue with the Ukrainian crisis will be resolved. This is the practice of international politics. Alas, this is so. And here, of course, the actions of Israel, they are condemned in the Arab-Muslim world, of course. There is a risk of further radicalization, although here, in my opinion, the main personalities or the leader who is interested in this destabilization is the leadership of Israel.

Since, after all, it is known that from the beginning of the Israeli army operation in the gas sector there are critical comments addressed to Netanyahu, at its leadership, this is discussed from many parties inside Israel, I’m not talking about the Arab-Muslim world. And the future of this leader, Netanyahu, depends on how the issue in Gaza will be resolved.

After all, he stated that the main goal of the operation of the Israeli army is the destruction of Hamas as such, his leadership, militants and stripping the gas sector, and thus the issue of Israeli safety will be resolved. But while the Israeli army was stuck, it must be said in the gas sector. And there is no way out. Yes, and Netanyahu and the leadership say that this territory is actually cleaned up and a fairly large number of militants are destroyed, but it is impossible to destroy the Hamas movement, since part of the Muslim Brothers Muslim movement is prohibited in the Russian Federation and part of the Hamas structure is located outside the gas sector, its leadership is also partially outside the gas sector.

This position is Netanyahu, who, of course, thinks about his further career. His further fate as a political leader depends on how fate in Gaza decides. To destabilize the situation, I imagine that Netanyahu is trying to draw the United States into this conflict in Gaza. But the conflict with Iran. This is the goal, in my opinion, the Israeli leadership is to draw the United States into conflict with Iran, and then many issues are resolved for Israel.

If there is a conflict with Iran, then the United States will strike the corresponding, weakening Iran. But the United States does not want to involve this conflict, especially in a big war, this is quite obvious. And it is possible that the United States will take actions in order to replace it with the more controlled leader of Israel. But here I will remind you that in the USA the powerful Diaspora Zarail, which acts, but it also has no unity in relation to the position of Netanyahu.

Yes, indeed, these aspects can be tied. Because a little that he does not like - he immediately accuses of anti -Semitism. Guterrisha accused, the International Criminal Court accused, the Holocaust recalls and so on. But it is obvious that times are changing, the situation is also changing, the situation is changing, and it is impossible to constantly travel along these rails. And here the position of Netanyahu is, in my opinion, in contradiction with the interests of the United States.

Since the United States has a large war in the Middle East, especially with Iran, this is an unacceptable option. And the settlement in the gas sector ... I will remind you that there was even an American plan for settlement in the gas sector, this Israeli army protects the territory from the Hamas movement, but after that, the Israeli army retreats to a border that will determine this security zone.

That is, part of the gas sector remains Palestinian, and they are returning there, perhaps it will be representatives of the Palestinian National Administration of Mahmoud Abbas, some other Palestinian organizations, possibly, and some personalities from the Hamas movement, but the negotiation process will begin. And in the future, this negotiation process should lead to normalization of the situation.

But this is not yet. This is a political, as it were, the motivation that they simply do not want the Palestinian state to be as such? Because the occupation of the territory occurs, ignoring the resolution of the Security Council occurs. But only this territory should be the territory of Israel. Since in the case of solving its creation, it will be necessary to free the territories that Israel will illegally occupy and received this creeping annexation as a result.

I have been on the territory of the west bank of the Jordan River, our Palestinian colleagues showed us those territories that were Palestinian recently. But Israel squeezed out such a creeping annexation, that is, he simply kicked Palestinian residents from these settlements, who were Palestinian. And now there are Israeli settlements. This will all need to be released.

And as for the safety of Israel, there is still an aspect here. After all, the creation of the Palestinian state under the current such mutual hatred between Israel and the Palestinians, but, indeed, is fraught with new conflicts. Here we need guarantees when creating a Palestinian state, guarantees from international actors. I remind you that there were such statements from Hamas, about the liberation of the captured Israeli citizens at the beginning of negotiations.

But Israel does not want this. But as I understand it, Boris Vasilievich, that even if the process of recognizing the Palestinian state is happening, how is Spain, Norway, Ireland the first step towards this, and the resolutions of the Security Council remain, they may return to them, for example, those who are interested in not notifying the Palestinian state can try to play these contradictions and emphasize their attention between the Fath and its abbus and its abbus and it.

the administration, and between Hamas. And as I understand it, this is a very effective method.